Discussion about Forms to APEX Conversion

On his blog, Grant started a discussion about the reasons - and especially managing the expectations - of converting Forms to APEX. The interesting thing is that also Joel Kallman (from the APEX Development team) joined the conversation, therefore making it a sort of Oracle internal discussion platform...
That you can use both technologies together proves this picture (the region on the upper left is an Oracle Form). I will present at ODTUG on the "how-to's".... (another shameless plug).

Comments

Unknown said…

Roel,

Three shameless plugs and your session is out :)

David

3:24 pm

Roel said…

@David
Then I'll leave the plugging of my session to you ;-).
Cheers
Roel

3:29 pm

Johannes de Jong said…

Hmm nice littele App.

8:09 am

Anonymous said…

Lovely page design, BTW. I think I can spot the Apex part (bottom left), but is the rest Forms?

Thanks for the pointer to the Forms/Apex discussion. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

I really appreciated that David called out Grant's #15 about Apex cost being FUD, as I think most people would assume he was talking about the license cost.

1:32 pm

Roel said…

@Stew,
The upper left region is Forms, the lower left region and the Google Maps is 100% APEX.
Roel

1:49 pm

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